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"Nostalgic" Proposals on Liturgy Not Helpful – Cardinal Spengler

Asked about the Mass in the Roman rite, Cardinal Jaime Spengler of Porto Alegre, Brazil, said that “the river doesn’t flow backwards.” He spoke with VidaNuevaDigital.com on January 16. The cardinal is president of the bishops’ conferences of Brazil and Latin America (CELAM).

His main statement echoes the historically weak ideas promoted by Cardinal Roche at the consistory on January 7-8.

Cardinal Spengler said, “Throughout history, the liturgy has undergone various reforms. The Second Vatican Council represents an enormous effort to recover fundamental elements of Catholic liturgical celebration. Nostalgic proposals do not help to promote what the Council identified as essential for the liturgy.”

Furthermore, Cardinal Spengler offered a pointless definition of the Eucharist: “Liturgy cannot be understood simply as an expression of religious practice; above all, it is a vigorous expression of a lived experience of faith, both personal and communal - an experience of encounter with the person of Jesus Christ.”

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Tisbe Galaad

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“The fear of Yahweh is the beginning of wisdom.” Psalm 69:9 “The zeal for Your House consumes me, and the insults of those who insult You fall upon me.”

Bruceph Mildur

1) "Reforms", yes. but the N.O. is not a reform. It's a purge. It's an emptying out, a replacement, not quite a confection as implied by it's creators or adherents, but more like a conjuration, applied by those more self assured than confidant, more visionary than inciteful, more desparate than diciplined 2) "Recover fundamental elements". One could argue the point, but no, in practice: remove and replace fundamental elements. 3) Flow backwards? Then why seek to "recover"? 4) "a vigorous expression of a lived experience of faith, both personal and communal". This could take volumes and in fact has. In short, it may be all of these things, but is it the faith [that was recovered]? Or something else; and if so, what is this expression saying? And from where does it come?And what has it produced? I'm reminded of something...
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Mike the Pike

Obviously, ministering to Catholic faithful is not a priority.

Mike the Pike

Vactican II filled the churches - NOT! I think his new sect will be equally successful.

V2 dammed up the river so it no longer flows.

CatMuse

He is either mad or bad. God help him.

SonoftheChurch

Probably both.